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Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:00 PM PDT.

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  •  Wouldn't it be nice if we stood behind (6+ / 0-)

    our politicians when they fucked up and were honest about it...even after two weeks of pretending it didn't happen?  

    Weiner's not a pervert.  He's just another fucked up American who happens to be an advocate for most of us in Congress.  When we stop pretending our elected representatives are moral icons and accept that they're going to fuck up just like Joe Sixpack does, except possibly on a different scale (though that's not the case in this situation), we can accept that we've got normal horny people representing us in congress - and maybe we can tell those who try to pass anti-woman and anti-gay legislation to fuck off a lot faster and more effectively.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:07:44 PM PDT

    •  See, I think this is the problem (5+ / 0-)
      they fucked up and were honest about it...even after two weeks of pretending it didn't happen?  

      If he had been honest at the beginning, I would agree. But it's just baffling to me that he went on show after show, lying about what happened. I dont know what he thought was going to happen. I think had he just admitted what happened that Friday night he sent the pic, things might have been better for him.

      •  Compare the Weiner timeline with most of the (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        88kathy, JeffW

        other sex scandals involving politicians. From first denial to ultimate admission, Weiner's was lightening fast by comparison. The denial of sexual transgression, in our less-than-tolerant society, is as common and as understandable as the transgression itself.

        The calls for Weiner's resignation by the Beltway Dems is craven posturing. Fuck 'em.

        Yo, CoC, ‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

        by WisePiper on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:59:17 PM PDT

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        •  But compare to a similar situation (0+ / 0-)

          Chris Lee, who lied. In fact he said the same thing as Weiner about a hack, and then within hours admitted it was him and resigned. The fact that things has stretched out over two weeks is mostly Weiner's fault.

          •  Note I said "most." (0+ / 0-)

            Chris Lee was the rarest of rare exceptions to how this usually plays out, and there is informed speculation that he was quick to resign simply to forestall revelation of something that would have been far more devastating, at least in the estimation of his moralist constituency.

            Yo, CoC, ‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

            by WisePiper on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 07:38:27 PM PDT

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      •  I heard he also lied to President Obama... (0+ / 0-)

        4 days before he came clean, that the original photo was not sent by him.

        "The United States will not be able to dictate the pace and scope of this change. Only the people of the region can do that. But we can make a difference." 3/28/11

        by BarackStarObama on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:59:32 PM PDT

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  •  Don't you just love (6+ / 0-)

    all these Republican governors who criticize President Obama for the 9% unemployment rates, while at they same time those same governors are madly laying off teachers, police and fireman right and left?  

  •  Coke and Formaldehyde yum! (6+ / 0-)

    http://thinkprogress.org/...

    After David Koch Leaves NIH Board, NIH Hands Down Long-Delayed Classification Of Top Koch Pollutant As A Carcinogen

    Large manufacturers and chemical producers have lobbied ferociously to stop the National Institutes of Health from classifying formaldehyde as a carcinogen. A wide body of research has linked the chemical to cancer, but industrial polluters have stymied regulators from action.

    Last year, the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer reported that billionaire David Koch, whose company Georgia Pacfic (a subsidiary of Koch Industries) is one of the country’s top producers of formaldehyde, was appointed to the NIH cancer board at a time when the NIH delayed action on the chemical. The news was met with protests from environmental groups. Faced with mounting pressure from Greenpeace and the scientific community, Koch left offered an early resignation from the board in October.

    Yesterday, the NIH finally handed down a report officially classifying formaldehyde as a carcinogen:

       Government scientists listed formaldehyde as a carcinogen, and said it is found in worrisome quantities in plywood, particle board, mortuaries and hair salons. They also said that styrene, which is used in boats, bathtubs and in disposable foam plastic cups and plates, may cause cancer but is generally found in such low levels in consumer products that risks are low. Frequent and intense exposures in manufacturing plants are far more worrisome than the intermittent contact that most consumers have, but government scientists said that consumers should still avoid contact with formaldehyde and styrene along with six other chemicals that were added Friday to the government’s official Report on Carcinogens. Its release was delayed for years because of intense lobbying from the chemical industry, which disputed its findings.

    An investigation by ProPublica found that Sens. David Vitter (R-LA) and James Inhofe (R-OK) had used their power to add years of delay to the report. The piece linked Vitter to lobbying from Koch’s Georgia Pacific company, which has plywood plants in Louisiana.

    We agree our hair is on fire, we disagree with Paul Ryan's plan to use a sledgehammer to put out the fire

    by JML9999 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:14:04 PM PDT

  •  I like this headline (2+ / 0-)
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    For Republicans, Redistricting Offers Few Gains

    WASHINGTON — On paper, the sweeping gains Republicans enjoyed last year in statehouses across the country gave the party a profound advantage in the nascent and increasingly contentious power struggle to create new Congressional districts.

    But those gains are likely to add up to fewer than 10 seats in the House of Representatives, largely because Republicans took so many seats from Democrats in 2010 that there are not many left to change hands through redistricting.

    Plutocracy too long tolerated leaves democracy on the auction block, subject to the highest bidder ~ Bill Moyers

    by Lefty Coaster on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:14:55 PM PDT

  •  Turkey to vote in general election (2+ / 0-)
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    Polls open soon in Turkey with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party (AKP) seeking a third term in office.

    After eight years in power, the AKP hopes for two-thirds of the seats in parliament to make promised amendments to the constitution.

    The main challenger is the secular Republican People's Party (CHP).

    It is fielding a large number of younger candidates in an attempt to improve its appeal.

    The conservative AKP, which has Islamist roots, has presided over strong economic growth and a more assertive foreign policy during its eight years in power.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/...

    One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists.
    A No-Drama Obama Site & Some Straight Talkin'

    by amk for obama on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:24:59 PM PDT

  •  Mexico anti-drug convoy crosses US border (2+ / 0-)
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    panicbean, BarackStarObama
    A "peace caravan" which has spent a week travelling through Mexico to protest against drugs-related violence has crossed the border in the US.

    Mexican poet Javier Sicilia, who led the convoy, said the US bore a "grave responsibility" for failing to tackle the drugs crisis.

    He told supporters in El Paso, Texas that US citizens who used drugs were also partly to blame for the violence.

    Mexico's drugs gangs are battling for control of the lucrative US market.

    Mr Sicilia and his convoy of about 20 coaches began their 2,500km (1,550 miles) journey in Cuernavaca, south of Mexico City, last week and have criss-crossed the country.

    They arrived in the Ciudad Juarez, close to the US border, on Friday before moving across the border.

    Ciudad Juarez has become the frontline of Mexico's drug war, with about 3,100 violent drugs-related deaths in 2010.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/...

    One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists.
    A No-Drama Obama Site & Some Straight Talkin'

    by amk for obama on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:28:15 PM PDT

  •  BooMan (6+ / 0-)
    Under Bush, terrorists were "elusive," "masters of disguise," and the president didn't spend that much time thinking about them. Under President Obama, terrorists are dead.Hell, even pirates are dead if they mess with American citizens.

    /

    This is how a war on terrorists should have looked. Instead of big invading and occupying armies that chewed up our treasury, we should have methodically tracked down the people who were directly responsible and either captured them and put them on trial in normal courts or killed them if that wasn't possible.  

    One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists.
    A No-Drama Obama Site & Some Straight Talkin'

    by amk for obama on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:33:41 PM PDT

  •  We put a Man on the Moon within a decade, yet (4+ / 0-)

    A recent survey of 40 countries just ranked America dead last in innovation over the past decade, according to CNN today.  China is on track to file more new patents than the U.S. next year.

    Not very encouraging news.  And I was reading not long ago that fewer and fewer high schools are fielding teams in District Science Fairs.  Maybe there's a connection.

    If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner. H. L. Mencken

    by Keith930 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:42:08 PM PDT

  •  HRC on China in Africa (1+ / 0-)
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    truong son traveler

    from Bloomberg

    “We saw that during colonial times, it is easy to come in, take out natural resources, pay off leaders and leave,” Clinton said. “And when you leave, you don’t leave much behind for the people who are there. We don’t want to see a new colonialism in Africa.”
    Referring to China, Clinton said “I believe we are beginning to see a lot of problems that you are going to pay more attention to in the next 10 years.” The audience present during the recording clapped when she concluded by saying “young people will not accept to be told what to do.”
     

    So, is this hypocrisy or politics or something else?

    I'm not sure.

    "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"

    by gravlax on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 06:47:04 PM PDT

    •  "...payoff leaders and leave" (1+ / 0-)
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      gravlax

      It's not so easy in these times. So we have resorted to invasions and occupations in the guise of "fighting terrorism, saving the world from WMDs and in doing "humanitarian interventions" with the goal of replacing leaders we don't like with one that is more accommodating to the interests of the West.

      Yes, I'm referring to Libya. The Washington Post has it here.

      Greenwald here.

      The reason -- the only reason -- we know about any of this is because WikiLeaks (and, allegedly, Bradley Manning) disclosed to the world the diplomatic cables which detail these conflicts.  Virtually the entirety of the Post article -- like most significant revelations over the last 12 months, especially in the Middle East and North Africa -- are based exclusively on WikiLeaks disclosures.  That's why we know about Gaddafi's increasingly strident demands for the "Libyanization" of his country's resource exploitation.

      “Humankind can not bear very much reality.” - T.S. Eliot

      by truong son traveler on Sat Jun 11, 2011 at 08:45:49 PM PDT

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  •  There Once was a ‘Grand’ Old Party (0+ / 0-)

    What remains now of a great party is vestigial at best and unrecognizable to the naked eye.  Painstaking forensic examination might identify it but that is a nasty business, looking at what is left ...

    ARTICLE:
    http://waronignorance.net/...

    Thanks for reading.

  •  neither canidate rocks my world (0+ / 0-)

    speaking as somebody who lives in ky, i can tell you neither is pleasing to me. williams is an ass. farmer has been a big spender the whole time he has been agricultural commissioner. now his wife has dumped him. williams likes the tea baggers (another reason to dislike him).
    beshear on the other hand supports the coal industry and is anti epa because of it. i have a problem with that. he also is not progressive. i wish he would make it legal to sell pot. ky is the 3rd largest grower of pot in the country. we need the income. he will NEVER do it.
    there are so many ways ky can increase its revenue, but he will NEVER do it.
    we just decriminalized pot a few days ago, we need to go further. beshear has been ok, but he doesn't exicte me.
    abrahams, though, does. he was mayor of my hometown for about 25 years. i like him. he did a great job. if they win, it will be  because of jefferson county, abrahams home turf. jeff co tends to lean democratic, but not all of it.
    so i am not sure about voting. sitting out is NEVER a good idea, but when you don't care for either, whats the alternative?

  •  Just finished riding in AIDS/LifeCycle 10 (0+ / 0-)

    There will be a diary about the event and my experiences during it within the next few days but suffice to say for now that my 12th year of riding a bike from San Francisco to LA was a week full of challenge and triumph. One of the bonuses of this year's ride was  that I got to meet a fellow Kossack which is always great.

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